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		<title>By: elementaryteacher</title>
		<link>http://castingoutnines.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/getting-fired-for-helping-students/#comment-16344</link>
		<dc:creator>elementaryteacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I HAVE run in to this problem (about six years ago).  As an elementary teacher with a good science background, I was told that we were NOT to supplement classes with ANYTHING not in the text book (even though the text book was considerably out of date in terms of modern developments in biology and astronomy).  This policy applied to every subject I taught!  It was in place for three years.  Now this policy has gradually fallen by the wayside (happily).  But when it was in place, we did not have access to a decent library (being overseas in a non-English-speaking country, but in an English-speaking American school), and the internet was our only source of additional information.  We were not even allowed to mention current events in class!

Looking back several years later, I think the main reason for this policy was because there was a very lazy teacher/administrator who both had some religious objections to modern scientific developments, AND who did not want to supplement his own lessons with outside material.  The teachers who did, I believe now, were making him &quot;look bad.&quot;  As soon as that teacher/administrator left the school, this policy began to be ignored, slowly at first, and then completely.

In the example above, I feel there is some piece of information that is unknown to us as outsiders, which has to do with the feelings, experience, or personality of the administrator (Mark M.)  He might be a lot more concerned with something like being a popular ADMINISTRATOR (doing everything to soothe &quot;complaints,&quot; as opposed to placing student understanding FIRST).  Unfortunately, we can&#039;t get inside his mind from this information.

Eileen
Dedicated Elementary Teacher Overseas (in the Middle East)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HAVE run in to this problem (about six years ago).  As an elementary teacher with a good science background, I was told that we were NOT to supplement classes with ANYTHING not in the text book (even though the text book was considerably out of date in terms of modern developments in biology and astronomy).  This policy applied to every subject I taught!  It was in place for three years.  Now this policy has gradually fallen by the wayside (happily).  But when it was in place, we did not have access to a decent library (being overseas in a non-English-speaking country, but in an English-speaking American school), and the internet was our only source of additional information.  We were not even allowed to mention current events in class!</p>
<p>Looking back several years later, I think the main reason for this policy was because there was a very lazy teacher/administrator who both had some religious objections to modern scientific developments, AND who did not want to supplement his own lessons with outside material.  The teachers who did, I believe now, were making him &#8220;look bad.&#8221;  As soon as that teacher/administrator left the school, this policy began to be ignored, slowly at first, and then completely.</p>
<p>In the example above, I feel there is some piece of information that is unknown to us as outsiders, which has to do with the feelings, experience, or personality of the administrator (Mark M.)  He might be a lot more concerned with something like being a popular ADMINISTRATOR (doing everything to soothe &#8220;complaints,&#8221; as opposed to placing student understanding FIRST).  Unfortunately, we can&#8217;t get inside his mind from this information.</p>
<p>Eileen<br />
Dedicated Elementary Teacher Overseas (in the Middle East)<br />
elementaryteacher.wordpress.com</p>
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		<title>By: hall monitor</title>
		<link>http://castingoutnines.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/getting-fired-for-helping-students/#comment-16340</link>
		<dc:creator>hall monitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See what else teachers are getting fired for every day at http://detentionslip.org!  Voted #1 for crazy education news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See what else teachers are getting fired for every day at <a href="http://detentionslip.org" rel="nofollow">http://detentionslip.org</a>!  Voted #1 for crazy education news.</p>
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		<title>By: Marko</title>
		<link>http://castingoutnines.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/getting-fired-for-helping-students/#comment-16339</link>
		<dc:creator>Marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More than once in my experience as an undergrad I&#039;ve seen my peers complain directly to the highest channels to force professors to suspend their commitment to teach thoroughly. They want answers to their questions, but they seem to prefer a direct and explicit verbal explanation to anything that requires a physical or intellectual flex on their part.

Ultimately, when asked what I want to do with a math degree, I always say I want to &#039;be an academic,&#039; but this is just one of what&#039;s becoming a multitude of reasons I&#039;m afraid I either won&#039;t make the cut or will get locked out when I do.

I won&#039;t go into why in such short space, but I blame the mindset of industrialized America for a lot of this kind of disastrous thinking.

Thanks for getting the word out on this, Robert-- I hope someone in a position to affect change sees it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than once in my experience as an undergrad I&#8217;ve seen my peers complain directly to the highest channels to force professors to suspend their commitment to teach thoroughly. They want answers to their questions, but they seem to prefer a direct and explicit verbal explanation to anything that requires a physical or intellectual flex on their part.</p>
<p>Ultimately, when asked what I want to do with a math degree, I always say I want to &#8216;be an academic,&#8217; but this is just one of what&#8217;s becoming a multitude of reasons I&#8217;m afraid I either won&#8217;t make the cut or will get locked out when I do.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t go into why in such short space, but I blame the mindset of industrialized America for a lot of this kind of disastrous thinking.</p>
<p>Thanks for getting the word out on this, Robert&#8211; I hope someone in a position to affect change sees it.</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s wrong with curricular uniformity &#171; Casting Out Nines</title>
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		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s wrong with curricular uniformity &#171; Casting Out Nines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dr. Davis</title>
		<link>http://castingoutnines.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/getting-fired-for-helping-students/#comment-16334</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an adjunct I have not yet run into the situation where the syllabus is more important than the education, but I have heard of it happening.

I will be teaching at a new college in the fall and hope that this is not a situation I will have to deal with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an adjunct I have not yet run into the situation where the syllabus is more important than the education, but I have heard of it happening.</p>
<p>I will be teaching at a new college in the fall and hope that this is not a situation I will have to deal with.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s too bad that he was let go.  And students are going to complain about everything.  I would think the administrator&#039;s could have examined what he was doing and seen why he was doing it and made a better choice than they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s too bad that he was let go.  And students are going to complain about everything.  I would think the administrator&#8217;s could have examined what he was doing and seen why he was doing it and made a better choice than they did.</p>
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		<title>By: D. P.</title>
		<link>http://castingoutnines.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/getting-fired-for-helping-students/#comment-16332</link>
		<dc:creator>D. P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I NEEDED a math teacher like that--but alas never got one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I NEEDED a math teacher like that&#8211;but alas never got one!</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Huff</title>
		<link>http://castingoutnines.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/getting-fired-for-helping-students/#comment-16331</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s egregious.  I would have loved having a math teacher like that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s egregious.  I would have loved having a math teacher like that!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent&#8230; &#187; Things Heard: e28v3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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