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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://castingoutnines.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/what-are-some-fatal-errors-in-proofs/#comment-16528</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m of mixed minds on some of these.  In terms of introducing an unwarranted assumption into a proof, isn&#039;t that something we do all the time in our effort to prove things?  Then we see what we can take away...

As someone mentioned, a lot depends on the intent of the student.  Perhaps they can&#039;t prove (ab)^{-1} = b^{-1}a^{-1} in the general case, but they figured out a way for hte Abelian case.  If, however, they don&#039;t realize they haven&#039;t proven the real deal, then I would wack them.

To me, what I really hate is when students just sort of tail off and keep going until they stop.  There isn&#039;t really a conclusion and they don&#039;t even know if they&#039;ve done the proof correctly (even if they did so).  A clear focus on what they need to establish and then realizing when they have done so is huge.  If you are going with a harsh rubrik, I might be tempted to deduct several points for a &quot;correct&quot; proof that doesn&#039;t realize it&#039;s correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m of mixed minds on some of these.  In terms of introducing an unwarranted assumption into a proof, isn&#8217;t that something we do all the time in our effort to prove things?  Then we see what we can take away&#8230;</p>
<p>As someone mentioned, a lot depends on the intent of the student.  Perhaps they can&#8217;t prove (ab)^{-1} = b^{-1}a^{-1} in the general case, but they figured out a way for hte Abelian case.  If, however, they don&#8217;t realize they haven&#8217;t proven the real deal, then I would wack them.</p>
<p>To me, what I really hate is when students just sort of tail off and keep going until they stop.  There isn&#8217;t really a conclusion and they don&#8217;t even know if they&#8217;ve done the proof correctly (even if they did so).  A clear focus on what they need to establish and then realizing when they have done so is huge.  If you are going with a harsh rubrik, I might be tempted to deduct several points for a &#8220;correct&#8221; proof that doesn&#8217;t realize it&#8217;s correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;d think the first two (only giving examples and circular reasoning) can completely disqualify a proof from consideration. Essentially, the first two you mentioned did not prove anything at all. However, failing to account for the latter part of a biconditional statement isn&#039;t so serious that it would warrant the minimum score (and yet serious enough that there should not be the equivalent of half the total or more points awarded for such a proof). 

I think if you&#039;re looking for a good grading rubric for proofs, you can find some inspiration in competitive events such as the USAMO or the Putnam Competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;d think the first two (only giving examples and circular reasoning) can completely disqualify a proof from consideration. Essentially, the first two you mentioned did not prove anything at all. However, failing to account for the latter part of a biconditional statement isn&#8217;t so serious that it would warrant the minimum score (and yet serious enough that there should not be the equivalent of half the total or more points awarded for such a proof). </p>
<p>I think if you&#8217;re looking for a good grading rubric for proofs, you can find some inspiration in competitive events such as the USAMO or the Putnam Competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Isabel Lugo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isabel Lugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I figured that the saying &quot;here are a few examples&quot; was more common than it is, because it&#039;s something I always did.  But I may be unusual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figured that the saying &#8220;here are a few examples&#8221; was more common than it is, because it&#8217;s something I always did.  But I may be unusual.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@virusdoc: If I understand you right, I think that would be a simple case of not using any logic at all rather than an egregious misuse of it. In some ways I would rather have students making spurious deductions or not showing their work than have students totally screw up the way logic works and think that&#039;s OK. 

@isabel: Yes, if a student said something like &quot;Here are a few examples; I can&#039;t figure out the rest of the proof but here&#039;s what I think I&#039;m seeing&quot; or in some way acknowledges that examples do not prove theorems, then that wouldn&#039;t get full credit, but it&#039;s not a complete screw-up. But honestly I almost never see that -- I see much more of students simply giving the examples and then saying something like &quot;from the examples, it&#039;s obvious that the statement always works&quot;.  As my old linear algebra prof wrote on more than a few proofs of mine, if it&#039;s so obvious then you ought to be able to prove it easily. 

Everyone: I threw in the biconditional statement error kind of at the last minute. It&#039;s not as bad, perhaps, as the others, but I have just seen it perpetuated so much that I feel like I have to put a stop to it. 

How about another fatal error: Introducing an unwarranted assumption that trivializes the problem? For example, if you&#039;re proving that $latex (ab)^{-1} = b^{-1}a^{-1}$ in group theory and you start by assuming the group is abelian. Is that a complete screwup of the problem, or a serious but lesser error?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@virusdoc: If I understand you right, I think that would be a simple case of not using any logic at all rather than an egregious misuse of it. In some ways I would rather have students making spurious deductions or not showing their work than have students totally screw up the way logic works and think that&#8217;s OK. </p>
<p>@isabel: Yes, if a student said something like &#8220;Here are a few examples; I can&#8217;t figure out the rest of the proof but here&#8217;s what I think I&#8217;m seeing&#8221; or in some way acknowledges that examples do not prove theorems, then that wouldn&#8217;t get full credit, but it&#8217;s not a complete screw-up. But honestly I almost never see that &#8212; I see much more of students simply giving the examples and then saying something like &#8220;from the examples, it&#8217;s obvious that the statement always works&#8221;.  As my old linear algebra prof wrote on more than a few proofs of mine, if it&#8217;s so obvious then you ought to be able to prove it easily. </p>
<p>Everyone: I threw in the biconditional statement error kind of at the last minute. It&#8217;s not as bad, perhaps, as the others, but I have just seen it perpetuated so much that I feel like I have to put a stop to it. </p>
<p>How about another fatal error: Introducing an unwarranted assumption that trivializes the problem? For example, if you&#8217;re proving that <img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=%28ab%29%5E%7B-1%7D+%3D+b%5E%7B-1%7Da%5E%7B-1%7D&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=000000&#038;s=0' alt='(ab)^{-1} = b^{-1}a^{-1}' title='(ab)^{-1} = b^{-1}a^{-1}' class='latex' /> in group theory and you start by assuming the group is abelian. Is that a complete screwup of the problem, or a serious but lesser error?</p>
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		<title>By: virusdoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>virusdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could be wrong, since I&#039;m not the math type geek, but this post seems to be seeking aggregious logic errors.  Your first error seems to be a mathematical variant of a tautology--simply restating the theorem as a proof of it.  The second is simply a a fallacy of composition.  

If I&#039;m correct in making this generalization, then in my field one of the worst logic errors you can make is a non sequitur--assuming two concepts are necessarily deductively linked when they are in fact not.  Is there a math equivalent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could be wrong, since I&#8217;m not the math type geek, but this post seems to be seeking aggregious logic errors.  Your first error seems to be a mathematical variant of a tautology&#8211;simply restating the theorem as a proof of it.  The second is simply a a fallacy of composition.  </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m correct in making this generalization, then in my field one of the worst logic errors you can make is a non sequitur&#8211;assuming two concepts are necessarily deductively linked when they are in fact not.  Is there a math equivalent?</p>
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		<title>By: Isabel Lugo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isabel Lugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assuming what you&#039;re trying to prove is my biggest pet peeve.  As a TA I&#039;ve mostly dealt with freshmen and sophomores in calculus classes, so I tend to be a bit more lenient than you&#039;re planning to be, but the upperclass math majors should know better.  (In calculus one sees this a lot; students often want to prove some algebraic identity, so they start from it and proceed until they deduce a triviality such as 0 = 0.  Of course this is a good way to discover a proof, and in the case where all the steps are reversible it can easily be transformed into a proof, but it&#039;s NOT a proof.)

Your other two proposed &quot;fatal mistakes&quot; seem perhaps a bit harsh to me, though; in those cases a lot depends on the intent of the student.  If the student seems to legitimately believe that giving a few examples is enough to prove a general statement, or proving one direction of a biconditional suffices, then I&#039;d call that a fatal error.  But it may be that they know what a correct proof would entail and just can&#039;t do it, which seems less serious and might deseve more credit.  Perhaps you should be more lenient in cases where the student &lt;i&gt;explicitly indicates&lt;/i&gt; that they know their work is incomplete?   

A lot of this boils down to the students knowing &lt;i&gt;what a proof is&lt;/i&gt;, which may be the most important thing they learn in their mathematical education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming what you&#8217;re trying to prove is my biggest pet peeve.  As a TA I&#8217;ve mostly dealt with freshmen and sophomores in calculus classes, so I tend to be a bit more lenient than you&#8217;re planning to be, but the upperclass math majors should know better.  (In calculus one sees this a lot; students often want to prove some algebraic identity, so they start from it and proceed until they deduce a triviality such as 0 = 0.  Of course this is a good way to discover a proof, and in the case where all the steps are reversible it can easily be transformed into a proof, but it&#8217;s NOT a proof.)</p>
<p>Your other two proposed &#8220;fatal mistakes&#8221; seem perhaps a bit harsh to me, though; in those cases a lot depends on the intent of the student.  If the student seems to legitimately believe that giving a few examples is enough to prove a general statement, or proving one direction of a biconditional suffices, then I&#8217;d call that a fatal error.  But it may be that they know what a correct proof would entail and just can&#8217;t do it, which seems less serious and might deseve more credit.  Perhaps you should be more lenient in cases where the student <i>explicitly indicates</i> that they know their work is incomplete?   </p>
<p>A lot of this boils down to the students knowing <i>what a proof is</i>, which may be the most important thing they learn in their mathematical education.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only other errors I can think of offhand are leaving out the base case in a proof by induction or misusing a negative in a proof by contradiction.  These mistakes demonstrate a lack of understanding of how the proof method works.

Having said that, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to give a 1 out of 10 to someone who proves only one direction of a bidirectional theorem, if they&#039;ve done it correctly.  A score of 5/10 is a bad score that also emphasizes that they only got it half-right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only other errors I can think of offhand are leaving out the base case in a proof by induction or misusing a negative in a proof by contradiction.  These mistakes demonstrate a lack of understanding of how the proof method works.</p>
<p>Having said that, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to give a 1 out of 10 to someone who proves only one direction of a bidirectional theorem, if they&#8217;ve done it correctly.  A score of 5/10 is a bad score that also emphasizes that they only got it half-right.</p>
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